User talk:Lirielle

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Cizagna's interface work
Sorry for not answering earlier, but I had an hectic week.

Congrats on your skin work. I've been following it from far and did not understand much, but the results seem great.

As for User:Cizagna/Hierarchy, I don't have much to comment. I've read it and though I didn't go into the details, I have no primary objections either. IOW, go ahead.

I've started a Dofus:AdminChat page for coordination work. I don't know if it meets your expectations. Just have a look and comment there.

--Lirielle 11:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Rollback
Discussion move to Dofus:AdminChat --Cizagna (Talk) 05:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Finish
Wand weapons are finish what weapon should we jump next? --Cizagna (Talk) 18:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started doing staffs. --Lirielle 03:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Image issues
Could you check this for some reason it got upload wrong --Cizagna (Talk) 22:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thx. --Lirielle 03:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

About some deletes
In this delete Olantern (item) has the item had a change name or disappear? if thats the case info should move accordingly, Community site shows the item exists, from what i understand Olantewn one was a drop from a monster in The Curse of Al Howin event.
 * A name change, obviously, and both pages existed.--Lirielle 03:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok wanted to be sure as community has it listed as Olantern --Cizagna (Talk) 13:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Also Dibzi Flower its a quest item used on the And One Dizbi Wand, One! quest or has it been remove? as i had to get that flower to do the quest in my eni long time ago. --Cizagna (Talk) 02:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Simply, the page was a stub, orphaned AND the name was incorrect (Dibzi instead of Dizbi)- I'll create the correct one --Lirielle 03:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok --Cizagna (Talk) 13:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Info plz.
Oi, you; I'd like to speak to whomever manages the Wiki.

I know there's nothing I can LEGALLY do about this, but I was thinking maybe someone has common sense and a little bit of sympathy on here--can I get in touch with whomever is in charge with it so I can explain exactly what is going on in my mind right now?
 * Huh... I'm sorry if my words sounded harsh, I just meant to recall the reality of the wikia. I'm NOT reasoning in legal terms. So yes, you have my sympathy and I hope I have common sense :). So don't hesitate to tell me what youy have in mind - I'm one of the sysops, but if you prefer talking to another Sysop, the list is here. --Lirielle 16:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Key recipes
You told me to contact you if I want data back for new key recipes on Talk:Key  gabal 11:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

You've got something wrong.
"Seen that, hence the question. My understanding is that the build was not originally published by Myriad, whatever the quality of everyone's contributions... Therefore I'm questioning the relevancy on the reference! And on the funny side, Myriad seems to have complained about his/her own contrib^^" -Lirielle

The build was originally published by me, because I wrote it. Sorry kidz. And the part about strength osamodas being a dumb idea is NOT in the original; if you LOOK, you see it originally was "Pfft..." and led on to some swaggery talk. From my experiences as a Guildopedia moderator, I know to look through and read *everything* before I make things like that. So, no, I have not complained about anything I've done. Sorry lassie.
 * Sorry again to be dense, but here's what I see:
 * "All in all, I think you're doing pretty good at this point, don't you? Strength osamoda not recommended... Pfft! I'd like that person to aggress my little one at 4 -20 any time. ;) ~Myriad, screaminabox@hotmail.com. Rosal.
 * (Revision as of 19:55, 27 March 2007 by 209.166.128.245)
 * "saying "Strength osamodas not recommended... Pfft!" in the middle isn't helping" (your talk page)
 * So what's yours? - Just trying to figure out who did what. --Lirielle 13:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Skin
ohh ok i got your point, ok i have edit your monobook, i paste the original monobook to your monobook, that should overwrite most of the configuration, i will test it my self later to find more things i can restore to the previous version for you --Cizagna (Talk) 13:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think i got it. On preference -> Skin choose my skin that will trow you back to the default monobook style, i have already put the css on that so you can see it there. --Cizagna (Talk) 13:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK Thanks a bunch. Seems to work. I'll dig into the css when (if) I have time. --Lirielle 13:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently working in the anti-skin code so that today you have it in your monobook --Cizagna (Talk) 16:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done --Cizagna (Talk) 19:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear lord no!
Nonononono. I wrote the one that... I actually did. LD Sorry for the confusion; I tried to distinguish mine from that one, but I think things got lost in the process. I understand now what y'all were thinking concerning the misplaced comments in the text. :P

1.18 Edit Reverts
Version 1.18 client is now live. Downloads for the client are available on the official site, and forums. The servers are also up as well. The client is not in beta anymore... please stop deleting my pages ;-) Aerate 15:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, sry wasn't aware. Going to restore, then. --Lirielle 15:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was about go crazy after having all my hard work deleted. xD Aerate 15:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Restored. Sorry again. --Lirielle 15:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

As per the Gobball dungeon reverts Can you stop reverting them? it is simply not true that a group of thirties could do the dungeon after the Warchief buff. (It now affects and AoE instead of a single target) which RAMPS up the difficulty somewhat. A group of 4 40-50 and 2 35's got slaughtered when attempting this dungeon recently. Sacrier eni and feca int he group.

If you can show me a group of lvl 30's that can take the dungeon, feel free to revert the dungeon page. if not, please leave it or people will go in and get slaughtered repeatedly


 * I fixed the Gobball dungeon recommendation for you. --GrauGeist 18:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

"Piwi Set"
Discussion moved to Talk:Gear --Cizagna (Talk) 20:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Experimental Builds
Nice work on consolidating them. --GrauGeist 18:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
For updating that slapper page and the tip...that makes a few things fall into place :D --Shreloche 17:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Improving Work
Hi this 2 days, as you have seen i have been a little bit more active. I have decided to do the rename(moving) of all those pages we are missing, as that is eating our time, and people keep doing that in a less appropriate way (correcting also the links of the pages they have change). As you can see on my temporal User:Cizagna/Merging update i have there listed all the name changes you have stated, in your pages of .17 and .18, all the pages that have not been created or that have been created from the start with out any error i have leave them as they are marking them with a false image as that we are not going to work, all the ones with true are the ones that are already work out (the based on your pages), also your item list page, its a little bit outdated, after finishing with the renaming i want to create a new page in the Dofus name space so we can coordinate that and as you have already check where is all that info, you could keep updated, as it will be easier to see the changes using the MediaWiki Diff thing as i was merging the .17 and the .18 name changes i had some duplicate name changes, my guess is that was the error what do you think about this? thought i want to work with some maintainer pages for easier work in stuff.

I will try to finish all the name changes tomorrow as i want to work back in the weapon template, as its imperative to finish and move on to the next template as it has consume a lot of time, but i have seen some uses of the new DPL and if its possible the semantic (if we get this one day) and we require to have the pages clean and prune, also having the pages match very precisely will enable to use more easily bots to help us maintain them.

About the Set list its not a complete list, i notice there where Sets that have not change name, so i want to confirm also if is that right? or maybe you pass them as i may guess its lots of letters.--Cizagna (Talk) 04:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * A few thoughts before going to work - I'll think about the coordination aspect tonight. A coordination page will be most useful anyway.
 * Missing pages - there are many monsters npc and items missing which you haven't listed yet. This will be taken care of when we use the coordination page. As for creating them, I can do it in a snap with my database, so it might be better that I do the creating and you check them afterwards as you usually do?
 * Sets: the list is correct and complete to my knowledge, meaning NOT all sets have been renamed yet. For consistency reason, I suggest we only use SET in the page *contents* (links), but use redirects to keep pagenames identical to the names used in game.
 * Duplicates? Need to check what you are referring to, but there shouldn'be any duplicates, as the list are based on file comparison resp. between 1.16-1.17 and between 1.17-1.18. What does happen sometimes, though, is that eg. names change back in 1.18 to what they were in 1.16...
 * Some changes that appear on the list may look obsolete because they have been implemented in-between (eg. changes brought but the March 13 update)
 * All name changes with a green checkmark on the 1.18 list which I added yesterday have been fully implemented (ie. including links).
 * --Lirielle 05:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Coordination, the main page will have to do with Dofus:Community Portal as i have been studying other wikis and thats where they do all that stuff.
 * Missing pages i don't want to touch them because its easier to standardize 100 pages and then add the 50 missing pages than having to standardize 150 pages.
 * Sets aside from my replace i did on set pages, the rest are untouch i guessed that was the issue as they still have not change it so far.
 * Duplicates i would have to check it, as what i did copy/paste to notepad made some replacements and move it to excel, then i assigned a background color to the 1.17 and repeat the process for the 1.18 page and finally selected all and alphabetically order, and i notice a couple of name changes that where mention on 1.17 and where again re-mention on 1.18.
 * Same as you, but with a little bit difference, Green Checkmark its because: has been done by you(prior to my merging) or i have done it. The Red Checkmark its because: Page to be rename does not exists or Page has been created with the appropriate name or Page has a naming issue (like the original name is the same to the name to replace)
 * I saw also your ../ToDo page, i recommend you clean it up, as you have diverted to your separate pages and have left those things unfinish also so there is a lower list of stuff add to add at the coordination page.
 * --Cizagna (Talk) 18:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * About duplicates, maybe the NewIn17 list was based on 1.16<>1.17.1, so that changes brought in 1.17.1 would reappear in the NewIn18 list, which is based on 1.17<>1.8 --Lirielle 06:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Finish swords so you can check them and and add images when you have the time. --Cizagna (Talk) 04:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Impressive... I'll review them when I can, as I'm pretty busy with discussions around build reorg --Lirielle 08:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Finish hammers so you can check them and and add images when you have the time. --Cizagna (Talk) 05:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Finish axes so you can check them and and add images when you have the time. Also i will contact you for some final touches before i start the next phase of the weapon template update.--Cizagna (Talk) 22:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok im almost ready to start changing from template temp to template weaponbox still setting some stuffs on the MWB program. Now for start i could add some things to the template like the rest of information as my knowledge on parser function has grow, and now we have a rather homogeneous code in most the pages, but one of the issues is the lead section and because of daggers as there is no real definition between the plurals and singular ones as there is no way to distinguish on what to use "are a pair" or should we use "is a dagger"? for something homogeneous if that cant be resolve that would make unable to template the rest of information because of the location they are, unless we moved the " is/are a/an xxxx and part of XXX set " to the bottom but that would not look good or we could do a very ugly procedure where is basically manually typing that, also with the changes i will be changing all my  for  as like you sort of request but never confirm, also i will be adding some code to the crafting so they look aligned like this This change will not affect how the page is display, but it will make it more visually attractive when editing the code side. Any other change you feel it mus be done please reflect it here as thats the styling page (that i will adjust it if we template the rest) but mostly for grammatical reasons
 * 100 items
 * 10 items
 * 1 items
 * I'd say 'go ahead' as you are more knowledgeable than most if not all of us in that field ;). I'll restrict myself to some general remarks and some details:
 * I don't know how you are going to handle this, but consider avoiding making templates with an excessive range - I mean not a single template can take care of all sections of a weapon page. A too complex template could lead to confusion among wikians (difficulty of use) and also make editing too restrictive. In that senses, a sequence of templates is better than 1 big template. But more probably you'll be using substs or whatever they're called?
 * As for the is/are issue, this is a perfect example of a template being potentially too restrictive (lacking flexibility). Only a human being can reasonably make the distinction (the answer to your question being: the verb must agree with the subject -- 'Ice Daggers' obviously requires a plural, 'Bow Slasher'

requires a singular). There are solutions (like using a user-defined singular/plural parameter) but is the solution not worse than the problem? Same remark for 'a dagger'/'a pair of daggers': I based myself on the picture to determine when the plural was required!
 * A little improvement of the template would be managing singular and plural forms for kamas and pods, like I did in the Itembox3 and Resourcebox2 templates
 * I continue advocating for the removal of the quotes around the description text. They are superfluous and look odd when the text itself starts with a quote.
 * I'm still convinced that the box could be slightly narrower (the width of Itembox3 and Resourcebox2 perfectly accomodates the effects and conditions IMHO)
 * --Lirielle 15:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

yes thats one of my issues thats why im asking you mainly as you have experimented with most the pages, and see their formats shalala... --Cizagna (Talk) 17:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * about the complexity well at the step where most of the info may be fill by the template segmenting it in various templates can be as complex as doing it in a single one, thought if some one is coping the template its easier to copy one template than a series of template, but is simpler to have the code separate for view makes in conftarble so its more of a choice thing.
 * about the is/are the simplest solution is to add another field where that is define with a yes or a no, or a field where it must input the "is" or "are" and yes i had the same issue as i could not have the picture as i did the first step i just put a global thing and knew you will change it.
 * i will implement the kama and pods plural thing. The quotes i will see about it.
 * The narrower box cant be done as if you check this example you will see why is bigger also to handle the conditions box, as in the item cell you eat the image space below while the weapon template doesnt do that as that space is occupied by the weapon characteristics and thats a thing neither resources and items have compare to weapons.
 * An confirming no other change to the Template:Skelweapon? that will is the style for weapons and then im going to add it as a default and adjusting latter will be a pain when i already finish changing from temp to weaponbox as last time i had to do various ajustments that you incorporate during the pages updates
 * Well, if you mean you are going to update the template to include parts of the skeleton, the best way to go is to implement it in a sandbox and we'll discuss based on a practical sample.
 * About width: ok, not an issue
 * About plural things: all is feasible, be it by using cases to handle the particular issue of daggers (we'll have a similar problem with boots requiring a different wording)
 * About 1 or several templates: one big issue with 1 big template is: how is one to include additional information that is not to be put in the standard fields?
 * As for the skeleton... again it depends on what you want it to be. If you want it cover all possible info, it may need some fine-tuning. Eg. it doesn't cover obtaining a weapon through a quest or by learning a profession. Hopefully, the list is rather limited as compared with items... I wonder how we'll handle all possibilities there ;). --Lirielle 18:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, well i did not do the rest, i could do it but it was going to take me time, and i wanted to finish the weapons, as you saw i did the final name change with my bot and did some things, i have done some changes to the template and make it unhidden but i have not incorporate to the weapons template check the Template:Equipmentbox so you can check it also have change the later A of the Category:Amulets.

The reason why i created a separate template for equipment is because some technical difficulties i could have resolve them in the template but it would have made the template way to complicate, i left it not unhidden so when people see the page, they can see the stats info, and they want, they can hide it. The issue so far i have see is that the lines from the sections pass behind them they can be seen on the borders, i will correct that later in the CSS i choose the orange color because that is one of the closest color to the gold spectrum and is distinguishable from the other. So now im shifting to the equipments category.

Im want to change the skin so color suggestions are accepted i still have not started the coding but first ideas was to try a dark backgroun instead of this white and the boxes instead of this browns use even lighter tones of browns. --Cizagna (Talk) 05:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wanted to advance with name changes but for what i seen only the Throwed Tofu is the only one that has change, i will do that tomorrow, if there are more name changes and you can list them that would be great and i could start doing that while you work on the amulets and other stuff.


 * Also requesting your permission to remove the links from your update pages of the stuff we have already accomplish so it stops appearing on the wanted pages --Cizagna (Talk) 05:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Granted for 1.17 and 1.18 - I'll keep a back-up on /history subopages without links. 1.18.2 list is not finished, though, so I'd rather keep it as is for the moment --Lirielle 09:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Finish Amulets so you can check them and and add images when you have the time hope i did not screw up on the conditions as most of the items have "no conditions". Also saw a couple of pages with no info so i just put the format there. --Cizagna (Talk) 05:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Finish Belts so you can check them and and add images when you have the time --Cizagna (Talk) 03:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Finish Backpacks so you can check them and and add images when you have the time --Cizagna (Talk) 23:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Finish Boots so you can check it. Btw i think i made an error as i put "are a pair of boots" instead of "is a pair or boots" tell me which is right so i program it on to my bot when i do the equipment sweep --Cizagna (Talk) 15:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Build Reorganization
I see that you unilaterally edited the Build section for Eniripsa (and Cra) to try and force an Elemental view upon Builds. While such a view may work for multi-element classes like Iop, Cra, Pandawa, and Sacrier, it is NOT appropriate for classes with one primary stat such as Enutrof, Eniripsa, or Feca. I do NOT appreciate this. I am maintining the Eniripsa Build section, and I consider the previous version to be *far* superior from a utility standpoint. You removed a lot of useful information, and basically made the section useless. If you want to continue down this line, let's reach consensus before changing things. --GrauGeist 02:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, I see you only focus on Elements, but ignore Vitality (for Sacrier) and Wisdom for Xelors... --GrauGeist 02:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reacting, but see Dofus:Community_Portal/Class_Guides. --Lirielle 06:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but that is NOT an acceptable justification for what you did, moderator or non-moderator. You (deliberately???) made your proposal on a little-trafficked page and got ZERO commentary.  That is not likely to be part of anybody's Watchlist, and you know it.  The very fact that you got zero comment (and thus zero support) should have clued you in that that you were heading down the wrong road towards building consensus.  What you did was little better than giving notice on your User Page.  Except that your User Page is likely more watched for news.  IMO, the natural approach would have been to place your proposal under the talk for Class, and then to link from the talk pages of each individual class page.  That way, people who are focused on their pages would have had ample warning and notice that changes were planned.  You could then have polled for the change, much as Cizagna did with the item / weapon reorganization.  That was a sweeping, highly-visible change to a Wiki, and Ciz did the right thing by soliciting comment broadly.  You failed to do so, and I am formally protesting the change.  --GrauGeist 17:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To be clear, your changes to Eniripsa and Cra are NOT constructive, NOT positive. You need to stop placing unapproved content on that page.  What you are doing is, in effect, replacing "Eni/Int" with "Eni/LOLZ", and you need to STOP.  I will NOT stop reverting your vandalism of those pages.  If you cannot understand this, I will be taking this to D:RFI. --GrauGeist 19:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to offend but...
Your right about one thing. It is your opinion that this would be better. Granted it is nice and clean and all that great stuff...but...this is a Wiki...which means EVERYONE has a choice of how it turns out. You also did a rude thing in deleting the links to other peoples builds. People worked hard on them. I restored the builds I could remember to the Pandawa page, but, what about all the others. You must admit...it was rather rude of you..especially without prior notification. Other than that...I think it all looks rather nice...please consider the communities voice though next time. Thank you. -druja 07:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not delete builds, they were all moved to Experimental Builds as a interim back-up until everything is reorganized. As for doing this 'without prior notification' this is also a wrong assumption from you. Discussion and changes have been under way for some weeks... even if nobody reacted so far. See Dofus:Community Portal/Class Guides. Same answer to your ungrounded complaint about my imposing my view to the community.--Lirielle 07:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok. Sorry for my assumption. That was the whole issue I had. By the way, do you run the Dofus Wiki? -druja 07:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just one of the sysops.--Lirielle 07:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok...
Ok. So, you moved my build under my profile. How do I move it back when it is done and I make it personally unbiased? Or, when it is done and unbiased, should I just link it to the Pandawa page? -druja 16:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Simply use the "Move" tab above the page. --Lirielle 17:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Deleting pages
As i was reviewing in a random fashion a page deleted by you I notice it had some links and I started to review part of your delete logs, and i notice a coupe of ones still had links: Joe Perlivet, Mp, Bewitched chestnut, DIY Hammer, Nufak Axe and Empty crab shell. This are the ones i have find so far i will correct the issues as some of these pages where deleted because the name has change or incorrect link creation, just remember to always use the "What links here" to check if the pages have some links to it as those links has to be corrected before the page is deleted or immediately after the page has been deleted other way those pages may be created in the future by people that may try to fill the information that looks missing in the wrong place when it actually exists. --Cizagna (Talk) 23:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

uh...warning?
Maybe when you hand out warnings you should possibly tell them what the warning was for? it was for template changing... i changed one template, and made one.. for which i was told of... i have edited NO other template so would you inform me of what templates i have changed?

Thanks, Oscardog
 * You changed several templates this afternoon. After I asked you NOT to do so, you edited Template:Quickindexnav‎ and Template:Prettytable templates. The latter in particular is widely used in the wikia so the impact is major and you messed up like 650 pages. I will not warn you twice.
 * By the way, use the --~ shortcut (to insert it, you can use the icon above the edit window or the link below) to sign your edits. Thanks. --Lirielle 16:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

a reply?
I posted on the discussion page for the "main page" and you have posted on my talk page... but havnt replied to my comments... can i have a reply please?

--Kiriath 11:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? Am I supposed to jump in on all pages? ;) A short answer is:
 * Cizagna is the main resource person for interface aspects, I'm not the right person to ask
 * this wikia interface is under development. Cizagna is working hard on it but not everything can be done in a snap. I suggest you read the Community portal pages for some insight into current and future projects. The Dofus:Community_Portal/New_Main_Page page might be a good place for the questions you have about the header.
 * Thanks for your contribs. --Lirielle 12:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Slang
You edited my slang, fine, but there was no need to remove it(ok maybe the OMG) slang but not the "brb" or the others... and if u only want "dofus only" slang then i suggest removoing "g2g/gtg" because thats not dofus related is it? and a few of the others are not dofus related... Thanks, --Kiriath 13:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and remove what's not applicable. What we don't need is a general Internet slang list. I agree that the boundary can be subjective but BRB is not even RPG specific (neither is GTG, I agree). --Lirielle 13:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit:You can look at the page history to get an idea of similar decisions made so far.--Lirielle 13:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Images...
Hello again. i just uploaded the file Gorofied_Miner_Ring.GIF and when i try to put it in the item box, its HUGE so can you put it in the box for me, and also afterwards explain how i can make it smaller, so i can do it myself next time?

(i have uploaded as both .GIF and .PNG now, so either one... (dont forget to gimme the info on how to get the pics to fit)

Thanks, --Kiriath 18:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images are automatically sized by the template so no worry about that. BUT the name has to match exactly the item (monster/npc...) name and use the brownish background used by Ankama, as we have standardized on this format. We also kind of standardized on png, but that is not an issue. --Lirielle 18:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit: I updated the Gogorified Miner ring page with the template and uploaded the pic to illustrate this. --Lirielle 19:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Images, again
Hello again, i changed the name of the Legendary Crackering and uploaded it again... The Image is still HUGE...
 * Yes... because the page has to be updated to the correct template (Itembox3). Feel free to do so, but this update has to respond to a series of standards (conventions for number ranges, standard terms for characteristics, bullets, etc.) See my last edits for some examples. Also, your pic still doesn't use the ankama brown background. --Lirielle 19:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Images, again, again
How do i give my pic the "amakna brown background"? :P and if you havnt already, i'll change the template to itembox3. --Kiriath 20:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Color is #DAD6B8 (RGB:218,214,184) --Lirielle 21:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

the error was
One error was that you deleted the the image revisions... those are lost definitely unless they are upload again so there is no way to confirm of what you where saying is correct.

Second rather technical but you approach him as a user not as administrator, asking for consensus instead of warning of a possible ban as this attitude could be considerate as vandal.

Thirth you should have just block the image and look for a consensus so both of you could decide if to re upload or revert to your image or keep the other one as it is.

I will unban Doctor0 as he is one of the people that has contribute a lot to our wiki, but we will start sorting this out --Cizagna (Talk) 22:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on him being contributive, that's why I called on you to solve this out. I don't want conflicts with anybody. The reason why I deleted the file is because I did not have access to the revert link because of interface problems (as soon as a page is oversized because of the presence of an excessively wide table or pic, the page slips to the left and the leftmost part gets hidden under the left menu bar.) As already said, I didn't mean to block him but a few minutes to protect the file and reopen the discussion (I had got no answer but a new edit.) I hope I did not felt to be rude because that was not my intention. --Lirielle 23:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW is unban a bureaucrat reserved option? --Lirielle 23:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

That i dont know but i guess he may be banning is harsh more if you have devoted a lot to something. Lets see if he answer he has never talk he only contribute so that makes me think he has English issues by his name he may be thats why he just goes more on the technical stuff. Normally when something gets oversize goes tot he right not to the left. Images have a max size that will display on the image page. Nop, normal syops can unban, but unban does not appear on the log list, but in the IP blocked list on specials.--Cizagna (Talk) 23:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See the pic below that shows my interface issue (I'm under Monobook, but with a monobook.css that you customized):
 * [[Image:Interface_mess.jpg|left|thumb|200px]]
 * Lirielle 00:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Strange.. maybe there is some code conflict but in any case you should use MySkin thats the one with the default monobook skin that i made for you copying that directly from the monobook that gives wikia if the error is still there there is not much i can do (still funny as normally happens backwards) --Cizagna (Talk) 00:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Images
Hey Liri, i ws just wondering if i could have some help with images. Im fine with getting the images from dofus, and uploading them. But you said to have them with the "amakna brown background"... now you have given me the HTML colour code... but now what do i do to make the background brown?

Thanks, --Kiriath 15:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Images, (more info)
Just to add i DONT have any major image editing software.

Thanks again, --Kiriath 15:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratz
Congratulations on catching the vandal. I did pick it up immediately, but as im not admin etc. i couldnt revert or anything.

Congratz, and good luck for the future!

Thanks, --Kiriath 16:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

My Plans for the Areas page.
Hello i thought you would just like to take a quick look at my plans for the Areas Page. I have detailed what i plan to do on the discussion page of the Areas page.

Thanks (feel free to give advice, i would like some advice :D)

--Kiriath 09:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Area's Page...
Thanks for your comments. I intended in making a page just to try out some ideas. As for the name change, should i post about this on the Community Portal? And i should of reworded stage one better. I ment add info to the pages that dont currently exist(so they have a substantial amount of info) then go through the pages that already exist and if i find pages with a low amount of info add info to those pages :D As for the comment about the headers, i kinda get it... i could build a temple(or get some help from cizagana) for the headers. Maybe at the top accross the top of the page there could be a small template with all the Main Categories on(Amakna, Astrub,etc.) ...  so for the headers, you mean make sure they stand out compared to the others?

Thanks, --Kiriath 11:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

How do you do it
Well basically i have finish with all the changes you have display in the pages except for the price ones as when i was doing the adventure ingame where a couple of zeros down from what you state. So what im asking if you could tell me (or show) how you extract the information, im using "Flash Decompiler" to see the files, but i have issues with that program as it does not let me copy the scrip files, and with the game scrip files normally crashes my computer (unless i do a circus movement that i learn i can avoid the PC crash but computer so slow that its not good) and i want to advance all the changes like descriptions, recipes etc, from the 1.8, while im waiting for you to update the category i have already change the template as i dont want to advance to much stuff and make the pages more incomplete that complete (most likely image side as the rest is the same of what the page had) --Cizagna (Talk) 17:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The secret is that the "price" in the game files are those used when you *buy* the item. The "sell to NPC" price is a tenth of the buy price. IOW, the figures in the change list must be divided by 10. --Lirielle 00:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * oh i see, but what i want is to extract the info to a notepad so its more easy to copy paste (and search for the info also) rather than alttab between each program so i can copy the information and risking a 34 stall and then my final resource to take out the plug =/, as i want to work on item descriptions and searching manually its a pain(no search engine dam you flash decompiler) and the other stuff its from version 1.8 and simply manual search takes my energy away, also i would like to update the other pages that you have and want to experiment in a way that we can systematize how we update according to the gamefiles. if you dont want to tell in public we can try inside dofus, forum (like pm from imps village forum) so you can explain how to do it. or if you dont want to disclose how you do it so i go back again in trying to find something --Cizagna (Talk) 02:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As you say, flash decompilers do not have search functions. What I do is copying data to a txt file, editing the txt file to a more readable format, copying and editing the data into an xls file and exporting to a Filemaker database. If I were a programmer, I could automate the second and third steps to make importing updated game files to a DB a matter of minutes, not hours.
 * Update pages are made based on a comparison between successive txt files.
 * --Lirielle 02:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit: Send me an e-mail for further discussion. --Lirielle 02:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Email send through the wiki system --Cizagna (Talk) 14:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Areas Page
Thanks for your comments, i think the table is a good idea. I would like to fully understand what you mean by a "table of contents" before i make a decision on whether to keep with the table or change to your hierarchy(table of contents) idea.

So if you could go into more details on my talk page that would be most appreciated.

Thanks, the link is below User:Oscardog/Areas

--Kiriath 15:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Lirielle, I have started my edits on the skeleton page(for sub areas). I have nearly completed my Header for the Areas page.

Could you have a quick look and tell me what i could do to improve it?

The Pages i would like you to have a look at are below:


 * User:Oscardog/Areas
 * User:Oscardog/HeadingAreas
 * User:Oscardog/SkeleAreaSub

Thanks, --Kiriath 19:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

staffs vs staves
Staffs has 2 defenitions (rather 3) one noun "A plural of staff in some senses" and a verb "Third-person singular indicative present tense of to staff" and Staffs is an abreviation of Staffordshire is a landlocked county in the West Midlands region of England.

While staves plural of staff (long, straight stick). 1 definitions against a word with 3 definitions thats why my spelling correction --Cizagna (Talk) 13:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop it please, you're getting me upset. Did you investigate what these senses were? Staffs is a perfectly valid plural for a staff (=stick) and I don't think you're the right person to make such corrections. --Lirielle 22:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Image revisions
Please stop deleting history revisions of the images, you are removing others users rightfully contributions, unless they contain inappropriate things for this wiki. If you are deleting the full image because is not use any more and there is an improved version (with another name. Except user images, if the user is not using them then they can be deleted) there is no problem as images cant be move.--Cizagna (Talk) 15:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? Sorry, say it again? I'm deleting images that are no longer used. What's wrong with that? --Lirielle 22:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

What can i do to improve...
I would like your opinion on the "areas" page and the "skeleareasub" pages on my user page. If you just leave the comments on the discussion pages.

Thanks,

--Kiriath 12:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try to have a look when I have finished with the 1.18.2 updates. I already said that I didn't like much the table format, but Cizagna seems ok with that. --Lirielle 15:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

IMAGES...help?
Hey i have take a look at your pages(where you have uploaded pictures). How come you can just put "png" into the image section and it will place the image there?

Thanks,

Could you reply on my talk page,

--Kiriath 15:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The template uses the contents of the Image field as the image file extension and the name of the page as the image file name. So if the page is "Earmuffs" and the template has "Image=png", it inserts [[image:Earmuffs.png|center|120x120px|Earmuffs]] in the page.
 * Hope this helps. --Lirielle 15:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Respone to Comments
Hello again Lirielle i reponded to your comments on the discussion page of the


 * User:Oscardog/SkeleAreaSub

Thanks,

--Kiriath 14:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Template/Styles update
Firstly im sorry as i didn't realise that you had to edit other things other than the resource template. Maybe it would be possible for me to have access to the "skeleton" page so i could help update the pages CORRECTLY. This would help me gain some "respect" on the wiki and will (hopefully) mean you are no longer lagging behind Cizagna.

Hope i can help,

(would it be possible to reply on MY talk page as then it notifies me of the message!)

--Kiriath 16:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Response to comments
LOL thanks for the advice on gaining respect :P. As i have noticed you are currently updating the  pages with a new template and style/info. All the pages you change look pretty much identical. This means you must be using SOMETHING (like a skeleton page) to update the pages. I would like to help with the updates, but clearly i cant :(. By the way you gave me a link to an item skel page.  The template that you are applying is a resource template(Resource2) so that link wasnt of much help...

Thanks,

--Kiriath 17:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Equipment pages...
Before i go any further on the equipment pages i am just checking its ok. I can't see any reason why there would be a problem, bnut i better just check.

I have found some of the equipment pages are lacking an image. I have done from amulets A-C so far (updating bad images and uploading new ones). Before i go on to D, E, F etc i want to know it's ok. If its not then could u specify the reason.

Thanks, Here to help

--Kiriath 17:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Equipment pages
Hey again. I am working on the area pages. I am awaiting some feedback from Cizagna on what to improve. I also need to start/finish the page "skeletonMainArea" (the page for amakna etc.).

I can understand that there isnt JUST images to add. But the new equipment template is on most of the pages, mostly image-less. Surely if i uploaded a high percentage of the images then that would decrease your work load. Because if you only had to change the information on the page and not uploaded the image. It would take alot less.

For exmaple, instead of you having to spend 5minutes getting the image, re-sizing it... uploading it... etc. Now with the image there you JUST have to change the rest of the information on the page...

Thanks, hope to hear from you soon

--Kiriath 08:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, it doesn't take me more than a minute or so to make and upload a new pic. If you really want to upload pics, pls. try to make them as I suggested, ie. square (1:1 aspect ratio), 2-pixel margin, size approximately bet.350x350 and 500x500. I'm updating mine with these new (self-defined) "standards" (only when a page needs editing or reviewing, I'm not going back on all pics uploaded so far ;). Also, another personal preference is about using png rather than PNG, not that it really matters, but when I edit a page, I often just copy/paste code from my database, overwriting the whole existing code rather than having to review all the details. And my predefined code uses png (that's why Cizagna also presets Image to png.) --Lirielle 09:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Areas page
I have left a comment on the areas page ( the one im designing) thought i would leave a comment so you know its there!

User:Oscardog/Areas

Thanks, --Kiriath 09:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No need to notify me. I'm permanently reviewing the whole list of recent changes anyway. --Lirielle 09:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

EP
Have you discover what does EP stands for? i cant find any correlations to this --Cizagna (Talk) 16:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, unfortunately... :/ --Lirielle 21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Image Uploads
Hello again Lirielle. I have been busy(again) uploading pics as i was out of kamas(as if often am) so i decided to stand at bonta and uploaded alot of amulet pics(around 50 i think).

I would just like to know if there mostly alright. I have tried to make them 1:1 ratio (as much as possible) but some are obviously impossible to make 1:1. The 2 pixel margina, again i have tried but with some there more than 2 pixel. All have amakna brown background.

Hope i have helped (i got upto the letter M on the amulet list)

Thanks, --Kiriath 10:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Main Areas(amakna etc.)
Just wondering are you making all the pages look roughly the same. So standardising?

Thanks, --Kiriath 11:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh, that's the objective of your project isn't it? I've given some hints that you may apply or not, but I think it's time to work on a sample page (Amakna?) in order to (create,) check, and improve an Area Skeleton --Lirielle 12:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm yes. But as i stated on the discussion page of the areas page i have not made a skeleton for the main area page. The two pages you have done(Amakna/Arctic) look good.  When i get back in an hour or so, i'll make a skeleton page for the main areas THEN apply that to the amakna page, ok?


 * Thanks,
 * --Kiriath 12:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Applied the template to Amakna
Hello Lirielle. I applied the template to Amakna. It's looking good! The image on the page is a small section of amakna because the area is too big for one picture, i wanted to put like a little description below the image ( eg. "This is a small area of Amakna ) but i didn't know how to.

Hope you like the new template, hope to hear from you soon, Thanks,

--Kiriath 13:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Continue?
Should i continue through the rest of the pages(the main ones) like astrub applying the same idea(template/design)?

Thanks for the caption btw

--Kiriath 13:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Semantic MediaWiki
Do you know how to use semantic mediawiki?--Cizagna (Talk) 18:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. I read a lot about it when I asked for it back in January. I'm glad that it is now implemented and I'm going to investigate again. If it works as it should, it could be GREAT improvement to our wikia. I'll put this in our top priorities. --Lirielle 19:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * supposedly is already active in the whole wikia servers, but i get confuse with all the jargon looks like adding extra tags to each like key words, but... it does not appear on the Special:Version page so im not sure is fully implemented but i can't understand how to really code it properly some one tested with the tag but got nothing so im curious if its really implemented, if that really is working i will have to redesign the templates from for the tag links a do it bit more complex so it can properly pull all that stuff in the semantic search engine the lvl category i made for the DPL (not implemented so far still waiting for wikia to upgrade this tool) will become useless but truly it will be a powerful tool to use. --Cizagna (Talk) 21:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Weakness
I only have change the Dark miner amulet as its how its show in the game, but are you sure the others is how its display in game? --Cizagna (Talk) 04:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's not how it is displayed in game, but that's how we've done it so far, because weakness is in fact a negative resist and, if I remember well, it has been discussed that it was clearer that way. But I really don't object if you want to revert it so it's like in the game, provided it's displayed in red and provided we do the same for all weaknesses. --Lirielle 07:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * At first glance yes i thought amakna was going to be "wise" and put those as fully negative stands like they do with normal characteristics, its for me so odd that weakness terminology (in the various game i have seen with complex gear stats this is the first one i see this way) but any way people will keep going for weakness, and looks odd against the category system, I remember we discuss on the negative but due to the ~ against the - but not sure of the names of those things.--Cizagna (Talk) 15:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Area Pages
I have applied the new template to all the main areas(amakna etc.). Are there(apart from the images) any problems with it? or any information that needs adding?

Thanks, --Kiriath 11:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Pandala
I have noticed that we dont have "Water pandala"..."Air Pandala"..."Fire Pandala" and "Earth Pandala". None of these are listed on the Areas pages!

if you look on dofus(ingame) then water pandala is a "main area" (like Astrub). So instead of putting Akwadala under Pandala make a Water Pandala a "main category" and put Akwadala as a sub-category. (this would be the same for all the other pandalas)

I think im right... :P

--Kiriath 13:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * i already answer you in my talk page --Cizagna (Talk) 15:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I know, i just like more than one persons opinion. --Kiriath 15:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Then do the comment in you project page, instead of repeating trough various talk pages, User talk pages means that you are addressing that specific user (Note for lirielle:Already finish boots, check my comment above as it got out of the recent by Oscardog comment)--Cizagna (Talk) 15:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Interlanguage Links
Hi now i answer you cause i dont want if some one take my REDIRECT away... i dont add en: links into english wiki it was a mistake i have done it in the german wiki too so much to correct -.-

-- Ren108 11:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Feudala Edits
You have added some information(some is helpful) but some is incorrect. Feudala is the VILLAGE inside FIRE PANDALA. There are no bulbigs or soryo firefoux's in the actual village. I took the time to walk around the WHOLE of feudala, and there are no soryo firefouxes.

So could you remove the info as it is wrong.

--Kiriath 11:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Once again, double-check. The info IS correct. Those mobs are in the SW corner of Feudala. --Lirielle 12:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Article revision
So i see you keep deleting image revisions so... when are you going to start deleting article revisions? (did you know that one of eniripsa guides its over 20 megas on archive history), when has been history space one of our concerns?, our space concerns have been on the actual article and loading time not the history archive, do you check the images before removing are their the same? it is confirm the image has not change in difference since your delete, example did you know Harmony had another image? that the one you uploaded? now i can find that info i know where inside the dofus files, but where is our record here at wiki of the old harmony picture? --Cizagna (Talk) 16:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The pics that I've deleted recently were mine and no, I never deleted a pic because it was 'old' - just of poorer quality. You've been deleting series of pics just before you suggested that I should not, so I really don't understand your point. --Lirielle 19:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Full picture delete, not revision delete. Every revision is check to look for any discrepancies/difference and a notice the reason of the delete, if its a clear name change is stated on the deletion, if their is an improvement its noted which is the improved image or a dupe. User pictures that where not on use anymore got deleted as no one else is going to use the image of their custom colored char. Every day i deleted at minimum of 20 picture files completely and from all the images I saw around 20 where not deleted due to the same reasons of above and 40 more i did not delete because they have not been improved and i cant compare if the image is something to record so meanwhile i have left them there, i will prefer to do total image annihilation for like things stated above, the name of the item has change, so we have to upload the image to the proper name (if the image has a image revision that has design difference it should be move also). If you want to continue to delete, well i cant stop you but just double check them to be sure its only poor quality. As images cant be recover.
 * On a side note, the refresh link works properly in any non-namespace page, thought its a temporal patch, today had a 1 hour complaining with wikia staff at Mirc about the DPL not working properly they told me they may check on monday so more waiting on those stuff if you are in a hurry to patch things you can change DynamicPageListing for DPL that will solve most of the issues, but if you want to explore the new DPL functions well you will be like me waiting thought some are active others are not =/
 * Question should we leave that note that you are adding to all the ingredient pages of a hidden recipe that they are use for a hidden recipe isn't enough been mark on the recipe list of the crafter, in the actual item categorize and mark hidden recipe where it states the full recipe, isnt that redundant?
 * and im wondering have you seen the images on the new skin? --Cizagna (Talk) 01:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * About pics, again, I only delete poorer quality images, you have my word for that. Plus, since you first asked, I have stopped deleting all pics but mine and dupes (just look at all the amulets where I updated Oscardog's images), so no issue there.
 * I leave DPL up to you ;) just wanted to let you know.
 * I think indicating that a recipe is hidden on the ingredient page makes sense, because if you look at the Associated Recipes screen for that ingredient in the game, the recipe will not appear and you have to know why (w/o going the corresponding page). Otherwise, you might be led to think that the craft is incorrect. It thus makes maintaining craft lists much easier. If you look at my recent edits, you'll see that I updated eg. the list of uses for Sapphire. Comparing the list of crafts from the game files and the list on the existing page showed lots of discrepancies. For all crafts that were listed on the wikia and did not appear in the game files, I had to check whether they were hidden recipes or not. Having the 'hidden recipe' marker avoids having to check the corresponding entries. (BTW, it turned out that several were old names for some items, one of which I'm not 100% sure of. I know that we try to avoid this by propagating name changes through all the wikia but I was wondering whether it would help if we added a field to the page that would not be displayed but where we'd put the Amakna item number, since this numbering is obviously kept identical through all releases)
 * About the skin, huh, no sorry. I haven't looked into it so far
 * You probably noticed that I managed to have Sannse take care of the Semantic MediaWiki issue :)
 * --Lirielle 07:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Main Page Discussion
I have made 2-4 comments on the main page. I would love to hear your views on them as i value them. I hope that Peet and Cizagna will soon put there views forward as your three's views are the main one i listen to. Thanks. --Kiriath 21:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to add, you said above "i have stopped deleteing all images, just poor quaility and dupes(just look at oscardogs)" - im gunna be nosey and asked what you did to my amulet images :P Thanks lol --Kiriath 21:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * replaced them with 500x500 px images --Lirielle 21:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh. ok... well could you look at the main page comments and reply to them, as i said above i would welcome your comments. --Kiriath 15:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sysops
I posted on the Sysops talk page... its quite a strange and hard page to find and considering your one of the Sysops i would like you to have a look at the comment. Also there are some comments on the main page talk... Thanks. --Kiriath 16:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Revert Right
Well im not sure how to do this, i couldn't find a page to apply or anything. Im not sure if im meant to get voted for it or anything. But anyway im wondering how i get the revert right and if it would be possible for me to have it. I have reverted many pages of vandalism (only made one error on a talk page but i now understand that). Im not going to go for admin as i feel im not experienced enough yet and should have at least another 3-4months before i even think of applying again.

So the step before adminship would be the revert power so would it be possible for me to have this?

Thanks, --Kiriath(Talk) 08:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...comment? --Kiriath(Talk) 10:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Area's Images
I have seen your the wiz with the images so i thought you would be the best person to ask :P Anyway as you have probably noticed there are 150+ images needed for the pages. Now im terrible with images and whenever i do them they look crap and stretched etc so i wondered, when your done what your currently doing, if you could get and upload the images? I dont mind if you do it over 1-2months just i would prefer it done by you as you are good with images, and if i had to do them they would look crap and ruin the pages!

Hope you can help, --Kiriath(Talk) 17:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If you really want to advance in images, i recommend you invest some time in experimenting with paint brush. Other way if you dont experiment with it even if you had paint shop pro would not be that much advance. Of course there are some things that just need to give another approach, if you are using a % to reduce or stretch the image you need to apply that to both wight and height fields, if you are using pixels then you have to do two simple and manual math conversion so you know what exactly is the other missing field missing and put it so you compensate and the image is not stretched in one side. Other thing you can do is look for guides in the internet i have seen some while looking for other image guides. You can adjust the size of the image file (not the image you are viewing but rather the space where the image is contain) so you then just need to adjust the image parameters here at the wiki. --Cizagna (Talk) 02:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Retroactive work
So the past few weeks as you inform me you where going to be more busy with the update information. So i halted my work on the items as i did not want to leave a lot of missing images as many image names are incorrect and went to other stuff like skin, mainpage, hirearchy, and certain research for template item innovations, etc.

In the last few days i have seen that you have been working again with the items but now you are adding the ID tag, and are doing it like always in a chaos way.

So my concerns is all the pages we have already work that are now again incomplete against the new changes you are making, so im wondering what will be your course of action on this matter? are you going to do a retroactive work on all the weapons and previous equipment pages to add the ID tag? or following your current scheme. Its like i told you in the weapon/equipment skeletons, if you change how the skeleton behaves you have to revise all previous work and adjust to that new change.

--Cizagna (Talk) 18:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the ID field. I've added it as a template field because it's a non-display info (it's just a way to "hide" it somewhere - I could as well have used a commented line). But it doesn't change the template behavior. It's not vital either (just a help to track items through the game files) and doesn't require us to go back on what we've done so far. It's a minor addition that I'll be implementing as I go. So while I'm reviewing the styles and adding the pics, I'm taking the oportunity to add it. Just don't worry. --Lirielle 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Final Wish
Lireille, please grant me my final wish on my talk page, thx. --GroundZzero (Talk) 20:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)